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		<title>By: Joaquin</title>
		<link>http://drewd.com/2008/04/25/perusing-stolen-goods/comment-page-1#comment-13775</link>
		<dc:creator>Joaquin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, I&#039;m dumb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, I'm dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://drewd.com/2008/04/25/perusing-stolen-goods/comment-page-1#comment-13738</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t actually seen the movie myself, but from what I&#039;ve heard of the documentary I thought it was relevant to Drew&#039;s footnote.

&quot;Or do you have examples of other regimes or groups destroying or inadequately preserving art and artifacts?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven't actually seen the movie myself, but from what I've heard of the documentary I thought it was relevant to Drew's footnote.</p>
<p>"Or do you have examples of other regimes or groups destroying or inadequately preserving art and artifacts?"</p>
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		<title>By: Joaquin</title>
		<link>http://drewd.com/2008/04/25/perusing-stolen-goods/comment-page-1#comment-13730</link>
		<dc:creator>Joaquin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Rape of Europa was a fascinating movie (just hard to handle in one sitting, I&#039;ve never seen such a long documentary).  Still, I&#039;m not sure how relevant it is to this discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Rape of Europa was a fascinating movie (just hard to handle in one sitting, I've never seen such a long documentary).  Still, I'm not sure how relevant it is to this discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://drewd.com/2008/04/25/perusing-stolen-goods/comment-page-1#comment-13626</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 14:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://therapeofeuropa.com/

&quot;The Rape of Europa tells the epic story of the systematic theft, deliberate destruction and miraculous survival of Europe’s art treasures during the Third Reich and the Second World War.

In a journey through seven countries, the film takes the audience into the violent whirlwind of fanaticism, greed, and warfare that threatened to wipe out the artistic heritage of Europe. For twelve long years, the Nazis looted and destroyed art on a scale unprecedented in history. But young art professionals as well as ordinary heroes, from truck drivers to department store clerks, fought back with an extraordinary effort to safeguard, rescue and return the millions of lost, hidden and stolen treasures. &quot;</description>
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<p>"The Rape of Europa tells the epic story of the systematic theft, deliberate destruction and miraculous survival of Europe’s art treasures during the Third Reich and the Second World War.</p>
<p>In a journey through seven countries, the film takes the audience into the violent whirlwind of fanaticism, greed, and warfare that threatened to wipe out the artistic heritage of Europe. For twelve long years, the Nazis looted and destroyed art on a scale unprecedented in history. But young art professionals as well as ordinary heroes, from truck drivers to department store clerks, fought back with an extraordinary effort to safeguard, rescue and return the millions of lost, hidden and stolen treasures. "</p>
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		<title>By: drew</title>
		<link>http://drewd.com/2008/04/25/perusing-stolen-goods/comment-page-1#comment-13553</link>
		<dc:creator>drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oi! Apologies to my readers--Joaquin is absolutely correct. I meant to put White Man in quotes as a mean of highlighting my tongue in cheek tone. I was trying to reference satirically the history of colonialism and cultural elitism, perhaps illustrated by Kipling&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man&#039;s_Burden&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The White Man&#039;s Burdern&lt;/a&gt;.

Regardless, you are correct that considering race is irrelevant and detrimental in discussion of this matter. The British misappropriated antiquities from the Greeks just as well as they did from everyone else. 

And I agree with your response to the issue but I still have some questions. Should caretakers of artifacts have the discretion to return them or not based on the intent and capability of the original owner(s)? 

Let&#039;s say I like to rip discs in half. Is it alright for you not to return a disc you took from me because you think it&#039;s wrong for me to rip it in half? 

Also, how does one define and track ownership over millennia of cultural and political changes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oi! Apologies to my readers--Joaquin is absolutely correct. I meant to put White Man in quotes as a mean of highlighting my tongue in cheek tone. I was trying to reference satirically the history of colonialism and cultural elitism, perhaps illustrated by Kipling's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man's_Burden" rel="nofollow">The White Man's Burdern</a>.</p>
<p>Regardless, you are correct that considering race is irrelevant and detrimental in discussion of this matter. The British misappropriated antiquities from the Greeks just as well as they did from everyone else. </p>
<p>And I agree with your response to the issue but I still have some questions. Should caretakers of artifacts have the discretion to return them or not based on the intent and capability of the original owner(s)? </p>
<p>Let's say I like to rip discs in half. Is it alright for you not to return a disc you took from me because you think it's wrong for me to rip it in half? </p>
<p>Also, how does one define and track ownership over millennia of cultural and political changes?</p>
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		<title>By: Joaquin</title>
		<link>http://drewd.com/2008/04/25/perusing-stolen-goods/comment-page-1#comment-13541</link>
		<dc:creator>Joaquin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s dangerous to use the term &#039;White Man&#039; here.  I think it&#039;s more about conquering cultures than skin tone, and bringing race (no matter how tongue in cheek, or even if you&#039;re not intending for it to be racial) into the matter is unnecessary and detrimental to the actual point of your argument (it seems a little liberal-guilt-ish to me).

Aside from that, I think there is responsibility amongst all people to preserve antiquities.  I think that the British had no right to take any of their &#039;collection,&#039; but I do think they have a responsibility to make sure what&#039;s in their possession is preserved.  Basically, they need to return any artifacts that would be safe upon return.  The Brits should have preservation on their mind at this point.  We shouldn&#039;t blame the British for the mistakes of their ancestors, as long as they do the right thing now (which they probably won&#039;t).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it's dangerous to use the term 'White Man' here.  I think it's more about conquering cultures than skin tone, and bringing race (no matter how tongue in cheek, or even if you're not intending for it to be racial) into the matter is unnecessary and detrimental to the actual point of your argument (it seems a little liberal-guilt-ish to me).</p>
<p>Aside from that, I think there is responsibility amongst all people to preserve antiquities.  I think that the British had no right to take any of their 'collection,' but I do think they have a responsibility to make sure what's in their possession is preserved.  Basically, they need to return any artifacts that would be safe upon return.  The Brits should have preservation on their mind at this point.  We shouldn't blame the British for the mistakes of their ancestors, as long as they do the right thing now (which they probably won't).</p>
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		<title>By: brook r</title>
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		<dc:creator>brook r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t know about the statues, but I think there was a time in the 1800s when some poeople in the catholic church were painting over the genitalia with fig leaves and such.  This practice has definitively ended.  I believe it was the previous pope who took great pains to make sure all penises were restored.  This was fitting with his excellent treatises on &quot;body theology&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don't know about the statues, but I think there was a time in the 1800s when some poeople in the catholic church were painting over the genitalia with fig leaves and such.  This practice has definitively ended.  I believe it was the previous pope who took great pains to make sure all penises were restored.  This was fitting with his excellent treatises on "body theology".</p>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
		<link>http://drewd.com/2008/04/25/perusing-stolen-goods/comment-page-1#comment-13527</link>
		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I&#039;m sad that you can&#039;t touch the Rosetta Stone anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I'm sad that you can't touch the Rosetta Stone anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
		<link>http://drewd.com/2008/04/25/perusing-stolen-goods/comment-page-1#comment-13526</link>
		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know about them specifically knocking off penises, but you do find quite a large number of crosses carved over Egyptian gods.

And, as sad as it is to say this, the Greek antiquities are definitely displayed better in the British Museum than in Greek museums.  Of course, that might have something to do with the fact that they&#039;ve cut into that tourism market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't know about them specifically knocking off penises, but you do find quite a large number of crosses carved over Egyptian gods.</p>
<p>And, as sad as it is to say this, the Greek antiquities are definitely displayed better in the British Museum than in Greek museums.  Of course, that might have something to do with the fact that they've cut into that tourism market.</p>
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